June 2007 Archives
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- iamlegend
Yeah that's right I sometimes enjoy "The Girls Next Door" on E. Anyway on last nights episode one of the girls visited HauntCON. How random is that? One of the girls is a huge Halloween fan and actually went and bought props from several vendors. Nothing wrong with that!
They didn't mention that it was HauntCON but I could tell it wasn't Transworld for sure. Did anyone else see the episode? If so leave me a comment if you know which convention they were at. Anyway here is a clip from the show so enjoy. This is when they met Elvira.
So where were they? Leave us a comment.
You all know how I feel about our friend Eli. But this is a good interview.....
1. MAKE YOUR FIRST POSTER COUNT
“For the first Hostel, the image we used was a beautiful daguerreotype of an autopsy tool,” says Lionsgate marketing exec and photographer Tim Palen. For Hostel: Part II’s first poster, Palen wanted to coin another obscure, creepy image that evoked what Roth calls “smart horror.” So “I just went to the butcher, bought some meat, and shot it in my apartment. I ended up using the wild boar—apparently, pig meat is the closest to human issue. It’s just one of those weird, fucked-up, kismet-y things.”
2. EXPLOIT THE LOOPHOLES
The MPAA only regulates domestic advertising. So Lionsgate’s partner Sony International—“It’s an important legal distinction to make,” says Palen—brought Palen’s risqué “international” poster to the New York Comic Con: a topless Bijou Phillips, holding her own head. Though the poster couldn’t be released here, fanboys instantly forwarded the image all over the Web. “Tarantino has it up in his house,” brags Roth (above). “He says it’s an exploitation poster by way of Diane Arbus.”
3. WATCH YOUR COMPETITION
Palen submitted a Stateside version of the decapitated Bijou ad to the MPAA—with Bijou’s nude body superimposed over the meat. The MPAA asked for a few tweaks, says Palen, “and Thursday or Friday, it was approved. Then Monday it’s not approved. What happened in between was Captivity.” That film’s posters of a tortured, sexy Elisha Cuthbert sparked an instant controversy. Despite Lionsgate’s distribution deal with Captivity’s After Dark Films, Palen “had nothing to do with those ads,” he says. (“I saw those billboards and I was shocked,” says Roth. “I immediately thought, This is going to screw it up for everyone.”) But Palen felt their impact: “We could only display the posters where we had proof that Happy Feet wasn’t playing next door.”
4. ADAPT
With Captivity on his mind, Palen’s last round of posters steered clear of tortured women—with a surprisingly peaceful image of a fetal Bijou—and he says his poster of an imprisoned Heather Matarazzo hanging upside down (not shown) points out the difference between the two campaigns. “The Captivity campaign was very fashion-y … When we hung Heather, there’s snot coming out of her nose. I make it very clear that I’m not selling mascara.”
The people that make Austin's haunted house attraction, the Mansion of Terror, the scariest romp this side of the grave are documented in Javier Rivera's The Scare: The Mansion of Terror Documentary
In twenty minutes, director Rivera focuses on the actors who work hard to frighten the living daylights out of the wary patrons looking for a good heart-thumping, can't-catch-my-breadth experience. Loosely breaking the interviews into segments like the Buildout, the Make-up Room, and the Mistakes, the actors talk about the rewards and tribulations of working non-stop in a high-energy-required milieu.
While more time could easily be spent on any one of these segments, Rivera neatly captures the feelings and observations of the actors while moving briskly along, inter-cutting exasperated patrons describing their ordeal in the Mansion of Terror in-between the sit-down interviews and hectic preparations for the night's events.
Interview comments of what it really takes to put on a successful haunted house attraction, and the nightly grind of acting in it, are the highlights here, and I hope Rivera eventually does a longer documentary, providing more time to explore the psychological and business aspects of producing scares, especially from the perspective of the actors involved. For instance, when the topic of the "worst patron" came up, my mouth watered for more personal horror stories from the haunted house trenches. My mouth watered again during the Mistakes segment; I'm a glutton for a good "oops! damn!" story anytime, and I'm sure there are lots of them just waiting to be shared.
The DVD itself is well-designed, and navigation is easy. Including a trailer and photos section, it provides a nifty snapshot of the Mansion of Terror experience from those that make it happen.
You can buy this DVD atThe Scare Web site
Oh Samuel L Jackson how do you rock so much? The is of course my favorite quote from Samuel in his new movie called 1408. 1408 opened this weekend and stars Samuel L. Jackson and a John Cusak. This qoute comes after John Cusak's character goes on rant about what is causing all the problems in 1408. "Is it ghosts, so called poltergists, long legged boogie men?"
To which Samuel L. Jackson replies "It's simply a Evil F#@$ing Room...". Awesome. Having never really seen a John Cusak movie before I thought he did a wonderful acting job. The best part about 1408 is not that it's a killer classic man vs. haunted environment movie, it's that it's actually scary!
Yes I said scary and I am sticking by it? Aren't there lots of scary films out right now you ask. Well no. I mean the previews of this film were Captivity, Halloween and some other piece of nameless crap. (Maybe Hostel III?). The problem with these films are they are not scary. I've said it a million times before and I am sure I will said it a million times again, torture/splatter movies are not scary. There is nothing to think about. Let me ruin captivity for you. Girl and guy have sex. Bad guy watches and is pissed. He then captures said girl and tortures her to near death before she escapes. It's like the iPhone. All sexy and no brain. There is nothing in any of those films that creeps into your mind and make a nest. 1408 did just that. At least once last night I got that creepy feeling and went to my downstairs window to look around (see the film and you will understand why) Sure there are jumps and boo scares in the current trend of torture films but nothing that actually creeps you out or trips you out. I mean what is the takeaway from Hostel 2?
1408 is all about that. This film is really reminiscent of some other Stephen King films. The one it reminds me most of is "The Shinning". This film is all about a selfish man and what lengths he will go to make things right with his family. Also this movie is not just a horror movie, it's a trip movie. Much in the vein of "The Shinning" or "Silent Hill" this film takes us for a trip between what's real and what's not. John Cusak's reality is constantly being played with along with ours. And in the end that's what makes 1408 not only a good horror movie but a good movie overall. So prepare to get scared and loose your mind a little. That's what good films are all about....
- iamlegend
The Midwest Haunters Convention (MHC) is a weekend event planned for Haunted Attraction Producers, Actors, and Home Haunters on July 13-15, 2007 in Columbus Ohio. The Midwest Haunters Convention goal is to provide you with educational seminars and workshops as well as a place to socialize with others in the industry during our fun social activities.
The Midwest Haunters Convention is sponsored by Scareparts. The Midwest Fantasy Show will be held in conjunction with the MHC. Both shows will bring top talent in from around the country to Columbus, Ohio for a sharing of artistic and entertainment interests and for unique educational, social activities with great shopping opportunities. The Midwest Fantasy Show is sponsored by the U.S. Body Painting Festival.
The Midwest Haunters Convention and Midwest Fantasy Show will offer over 45 classes of Weekend Seminars and pre-convention Extended Workshops from some of the top people in haunted attraction, artist and family entertainment industries. Weekend Seminars have been updated on our website and include several more classes with great instructors. The Midwest Haunters Convention offers seminars in Makeup, Acting, Business, Haunt Design and Props.
The Midwest Haunters Convention and Midwest Fantasy Show Social events include the Midwest Haunt Bus Tour to Ghostly Manor, the Haunted Hydro and the Horror Hotel Monster Museum, on Thursday July 12, 2007. July 13, 2007 “Friday the 13th” will feature the HauntWorld Magazine Friday the 13th Bus & Tour (including Scareparts, Costume Specialists, The Gates of Terror), a Friday the 13th Practice Jam, and Midnight Monster Hop.
Saturday, July 14 events include an International Association of Haunted Attractions (IAHA) Continental Breakfast, Bloody Mary Monster Makeup Wars, the Scareparts Masquerade Party, Fantasy Halloween Body Art Fashion Show sponsored by the U.S. Body Painting Festival, Ms Midwest Scary Pageant, and Scareparts Masquerade Contests. A Gag Studios Silent and Live Auction will be held on Sunday, July 15, 2007.
Midwest Haunters Convention and the Midwest Fantasy Show will be held concurrently July 13-15, 2007 at the Holiday Inn (soon to be remodeled Doubletree); conveniently located off North I-270. The MHC/MFS room special is $99 per night. For more information please visit www.MidwestHauntersConvention.com contact Barry Schieferstein at Barry@MidwestHaunters.com - 614-361-1466.
Known as the Haunting Yellow Pages the 2007 Haunted Attraction Industry Directory lists the contact information and web addresses of 2,000 companies in 122 categories that supply products and/or services to the Home Haunter and Haunting Professional alike.
NEW for 2007 is the industry phone book section, (Haunting white pages). With this must have desk-top reference, you can now look up the phone number of other Haunters by last name.
The directory is only printed once each year and supplies are limited, so CLICK HERE to purchase your copy NOW!
- iamlegend
Ghost House Pictures and FEARnet present an original series called "Devil's Trade". They started on the 6th of this month and are up to episode 6. The series is rated TVMA so keep the volume down at work ;-) It's looking really good so far. Too bad they don't let people embed it on other sources.
Check out the trailer here .
It's now June 13th. Too bad it's not Friday also. Last night we had our final meeting before buildout begins 30 days from now. All new theming is finished. All rooms are finished. The pneumatics crew is on schedule for the pneumatics we're building for this year. We purchased 8 new pneumatics also that will be tested by the pneumatics crew before we start. Our static props crew is working on all non-pneumatic props or large set pieces for this year. They're on schedule too so that's great.
They had a large 4 x 8 vacuform table added to their "To-Do" list. That will be exciting to get to use. They've actually already started welding the frame for it. We're starting on getting permits, utilities, insurance and the works for our lease space. On the marketing front, the website and Myspace pages are under a complete redesign as we speak. We're also securing media sources for all of our other marketing events and starting to speak with sponsors. Our new pneumatic props have been arriving on schedule so far. That's a good thing. We're doing some custom work with Grave Robber Studios also. What an amazing company. I'm glad we plan ahead on everything. It really pays off when it comes to buildout time. It lets everyone breath a little easier and enjoy the buildout more, rather than running around like headless chickens. One thing that amazes me. Each year we say that our goal is to top the year before.
Also each year, at the end of the season, we tell ourselves how in the world are we going to top that. Here we are again and we have so many new, fresh ideas added to the show that we will definitely top last year. I have the entire crew to thank for that!!! I'm really fortunate to work with such a variety of talented and creative men and women. I love our planning meetings where I can pose a problem to the group... Maybe it's a new idea or new prop... And I lay down the gauntlet and say, "Can we do that?". I love it because I never get just one answer back. I get several and all are usually equally as creative but from different approaches. It's those little moments that fuel my passion for haunted houses!
- Norm
:: Editors Note:: This is the weekly series of interviews we do with people changing the face of the Haunted Attractions and Horror Industry. This week we interview the folks from NETHERWORLD haunted house. They build some of the sickest sets you have ever seen ::
Why did you first become interested in the Haunted House/Horror Business?
It seems like I have loved scary stuff all my life. I did a haunted house at my elementary school and got hooked scaring people at a very young age! I had all the Classic monster models, read Famous Monsters Magazine….the whole nine yards!
What previous jobs have you had?
After college, I worked at TV stations in Tallahassee, Florida and Atlanta, Georgia for 18 years. During those years I mainly worked on the production of news shows, running camera, audio, directing and such. I also shot and edited commercials, was a lighting and set designer, produced special events like telethons and parades and eventually moved into management. But the interesting thing that was horror related was my TV show “Tales From 6 Feet Under,” a local hosted horror show. Every week I would run old horror movies with crazy skits during the commercial breaks.
What job do you do right now? Is the Haunted House/Horror Job your full time gig?
I still do occasional special event related projects, but NETHERWORLD is my primary focus.
How long have you been in the business?
Since I was 10 years old! No, really I would say 3 years of actually designing and running real charity haunts in conjunction with my TV show, 3 years with a professional haunted house chain (Silo X) and 11 years of NETHERWORLD so pretty much about 17 years.
How did you start?
Well, I was doing the hosted horror show as the bizarre Dr. Speculo, and after working closely with the Muscular Dystrophy Association for years on the local Telethon coverage we decided that a haunted house would be a great fund raiser. Using my collection of horror props, the TV station, and my actor friends who helped with the show, we hooked up with the charity and did our first show “Dr. Speculo’s Trail of Terror!” After the memory of how hard it was wore off, I guess I was hooked!
What’s the scariest Haunted House you ever attended?
Wow, that’s a tough one! It might have been some of the Jaycee haunts I went to as a kid, probably because I was a kid, but I still remember them as being pretty good. I think the scariest haunt sort of thing I remember is exploring an old abandoned Spanish fort when I was in elementary school. That sort of stuck with me, so haunts or scenes with an dark old realistic abandoned feel are the creepiest for me. I can still get startled in haunts, usually by a good actor, or by a falling wall or pit, but that only lasts for a second. Now there are some scary haunts I have seen that look really dangerous from a safety aspect, but that’s another thing entirely!
Do you still find time to attend Haunted Houses?
Absolutely! I almost never get out during the season, but I travel to as many haunts as I can usually during tradeshows and such. I got to see the legendary Rocky Point in depth at their final Fright Nights this year, and I have also seen such great haunts as Burial Chamber, Terror on the Fox, Dreamreapers, Realm of Darkness, and the massive EREBUS in 2007 already.
So where the hell have I been? How could I have not know that my favorite prison in the country , Eastern State Penitentiary, also houses a Haunted Attraction every year. Goddamn! How freaking cool is that? You may remeber this place from the awesome documentary that was included in the game "The Suffering". I mean that was really the only documentary on a "haunted location" that ever got my goosebumps up. I mean if any place could be haunted by the souls of the damned it would be here. Anyway look for an exclusive interview withe the brains behind this soon. In the meantime check the prison yourself in this clip from MTV's FEAR....
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste...
If you meet me, have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste...
--The Rolling Stones
How does one give sympathy to the devil? That's the challenge Thomas Harris faced when writing his background story on the birth of one of the most riveting fictional human monsters, Hannibal Lecter.
Of course, the first question to ask is why do it? Giving tea and sympathy to a consummately evil character that sends shivers down your spine with just that look and just that smile is quite an accomplishment. Why ruin it? When the Borg where humanized in Star Trek The Next Generation, the franchise lost a perfectly frightening bunch of monsters with no redeeming social values, and future stories lacked the visceral fear of being assimilated without remorse, of losing all that you hold dear in the wink of an eye and there was nothing you could do about it. Bad call there.
Thomas Harris made a bad call here, too. Not only does he try to explain why Hannibal is a cannibal, but he chooses to do it prosaically. His characters speak with flowery-mouth intensity appropriate for literature, not screen dialog. And for a laconic character that's short on words but long on cuisine, that's not a good thing; a known unknown evil is more worrisome and scary than a known known evil, definitely.
Director Peter Webber also makes a bad call by ponderously posing every scene with self-conscious importance. This slows the pacing throughout the movie, and scenes of visceral intensity, where Hannibal begins to succumb to his guilt and insanity, are held back because of it. And don't get me started on those James A. Michener-styled background tableaus. With near-risible martial arts aunt, offerings to ancestral samurai, and a poorly thought through revelatory exposition that is capped by Hannibal crying "you ate my sister!" I imagine lots of popcorn bounced off theater screens everywhere as audiences chuckled and shifted uneasily in their seats--for all the wrong reasons.
Adding to this undercooked cinematic souffle, Gaspard Ulliel postures a lot, as if doing a Vogue layout for Hannibal Lecter fashions. His ominous leering and malicious grinning doesn't evoke any of the uncanny calmness of Anthony Hopkins later, more menacing portrayal. It appears the look of the film was far more important than the substance.
The Austin Texas Film Society's Essential Cinema Series presents "Other Minds, Other Words: Global Sci-Fi Cinema". The cool part is that this is not just Sci-Fi but they have a lot of horror films in here as well. Check out the horror films below. The fest runs from
June 5 - June 26 @ 7:00 pm
Alamo Drafthouse Downtown (409 Colorado Street)
July 3 - July 31 @ 9:45 pm
Alamo Drafthouse South Lamar (1120 S. Lamar)
The Fantastic Planet (La Planete Sauvage)
Other Minds, Other Worlds: Global Sci-Fi Cinema
Tuesday, June 5 - 7:00pm
The planet of Ygam is inhabited by large blue-skinned, red-eyed, intelligent beings called Traggs. They spend most of their time meditating since education comes easily through a headphone with a soothing voice providing all necessary knowledge for survival. Among their possessions are tiny creatures called Oms (think "hommes"), which look suspiciously like human beings from Earth.
Planet Of The Vampires (Terrore nello spazio)
Other Minds, Other Worlds: Global Sci-Fi Cinema
Tuesday, June 19 - 7:00pm
In the near future the two spaceships Argos and Galliot are sent to investigate the mysterious planet Aura. As the Galliot lands on the planet her crew suddenly go berserk and attack each other. The strange event passes, but the crew soon discovers the crashed Argos - and learns that her crew died fighting each other!
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Other Minds, Other Worlds: Global Sci-Fi Cinema
Tuesday, July 3 - 9:45pm
Strange seeds from a distant planet drift on cosmic winds down to Earth, where they take root and take over by duplicating humans through giant pods. The resulting full-sized clones are soulless automatons who do as they are told.
Planet of Storms (Planeta Bur)
Other Minds, Other Worlds: Global Sci-Fi Cinema
Tuesday, July 10 - 9:45pm
The Soviet cosmonauts in PLANET OF STORMS land on the hot, uneven surface of Venus, which turns out to be a very inhospitable planet for humans but perfect for giant creatures.
Let me take a second to set the record straight. My alias is taken from the awesome novella by Richard Matheson about the last man on earth that was written in 1954. My name was not taken from this new Will Smith movie. So when the film comes out (and if it sucks) be sure to not give me a hard time. Read the book and enjoy and remember I was here first people........
:: Editors Note:: This is the weekly series of interviews we do with people changing the face of the Haunted Attractions and Horror Industry. This week we interview Jeremy of Midnight Fire Attractions. They build custom attractions, sets and props for the themed entertainment industry ::
why did you first become interested in the Haunted House/Horror Business ?
It all started when I was 13, pretty much by accident. It was about a month before Halloween, and I just happened to mention to a friend that I was bored and needed a project to work on. He said, "why don't you do a haunted house?" I barely even knew what a haunted house was, and had certainly never been to one. But I was intrigued, and together we came up with $90 and put on a little show in my parents' basement. I was hooked from that moment on.
What Previous jobs have you had ?
I guess the first real job I ever had was re-shelving books at the local library. That was not fun. Since then, I've worked as a graphic designer, video editor, and musician, in addition to my themed attraction work.
What job do you have now?
I now run a company called Midnight Fire Attractions, and we build custom attractions, sets and props for the themed entertainment industry. For anyone who's interested in learning more about us and the work we do, there's a lot more information available on our website at www.MidnightFireAttractions.com.
How Long Have you Been in business?
We officially incorporated the business in 2004, although we had been working on attractions for several years before that.
How Did You Start?
It all just grew out of my fascination (and, I guess you could say, obsession) with running that little haunted house when I was a teenager. I know that a lot of people in this business started out the same way. And then one day, it hits you that if this is what you love to do, you should try to see if you can make a living doing it.
Need something truly weird for your Haunted Attraction. Check out Professor Wes Weasley. Basically he goes around and plays the Thermin for crowds. Known for its weird effects in movie soundtracks and even pop songs, the Theremin's unique tone modulation is now available for your guests' enjoyment. By simply waving one's hands around the electromagnetic antenna, audiences young and old are enthralled as they individually create distinct sounds, ranging from spooky to whimsical to spacey. Professor Weasely is the perfect roving act. Interactive fun for both player and curious bystander, the Theremin provides great entertainment for waiting lines, conventions and parties -- almost any event, indoors or out.
Mark Wenzel, with 30 years of fair, festival and theme park experience, portrays the mad scientist Professor Wes Weasely.
If you want to book him please contact David Belenzon Management (619) 462-6400
Around two-thirds into Murder-Set-Pieces I looked at my watch. I don't do that often when watching a film. In this case, though, I looked at it twice. I really wanted to get it over with, and, unlike some reviewers less meticulous (or masochistic) than I, I always watch the whole movie just to make sure I don't miss anything that remotely resembles art, or scares, or anything that stands out as a memorable horror-moment. I was disappointed that I didn't find anything like that here.
At the end of the movie I sighed with relief and wondered what I ever did to the staff at The Haunted Report to warrant them sending this emotionless and tensionless excursion into the mind and actions of a one-dimensional, neo-Nazi, muscle-bound serial killing photographer prowling Las Vegas for his next torture-gig photo shoot. America's Top Model has more tension. Maybe I should send the staff a fruit-basket for the holidays. Then maybe they'd send me the A stuff.
While many of the reviews for Murder-Set-Pieces mercilessly castigate director Nick Palumbo as a misogynistic this or racist that, that's not quite the vibe I picked up. He's just doing what any director does--telling his unsavory story through the camera lens. I actually thought Palumbo did a solid job of direction, but just made some questionable choices with the material; like his confusing use of ill-placed, tinkling-music, flashbacks and shock-montages into the fractured mind of the nutbag photographer, or the spin-art overuse of blood on everything in sight. Then there's the bordering-on-comic way he'd cut to the photographer driving in his Mustang, again and again, prowling night-time Las Vegas for more nudie-cutie opportunities, with the same overused audio of the car's engine racing and sputtering.
But the most important directorial misstep here is the lack of tension-building suspense and the pedestrian way in which each murder-set-piece is handled. At no time are any of the tortures or murders the least bit shocking, the least bit emotionally draining. We follow the photographer around, as he bounces off the padded walls of his mind, as if we're carrying his equipment bag and nothing more. And when he whips out that straight razor, there's no fearful whimper from us, no gasps. Perhaps I'd have been more drawn in with the uncut version of the film, but Anchor Bay's R-rated DVD only implies defilement and torture, and cuts away from the chainsaw through head type of chunky violence gore-hounds love. So gore-hounds be warned: look for the uncut version if you are so inclined. As for me, I'd rather have more meat and less sauce.
Which brings us to the storyline itself, which is less meaty and less filling than a horror movie should be. Due in large part to Sven Garrett's lifeless performance as the photographer with too much killing time on his hands. Even though he suffers from manic bouts of shouting in German, and nose-bleeds as he flashbacks in weird vignettes with him as a boy walking train tracks while a flirtatious blonde parades in front of him, while his look is right, that's where his energy for the role ends. When he pumps iron, all sweaty and gritty, he still doesn't pump enough energy to light a diode,let alone a performance that cries out for psychotic, balls-to the-wall-abandon. His torture and killing sprees are monotone, with the only lively color coming from the blood all around him. So what if he likes to eat his meat raw and bloody. Without the gusto, it's just undercooked.
:: Editors Note :: This week we interview MONEvilizabeth of KC Creepfest. KC Creepfest is a gathering of Home Haunters and Pro Haunters in the KC area on Aug 10th-12th. Learn more about this upcoming convention of Creeps and Haunters below ::
What is the name of your conference and what is it about?
KC Kreepfest and it's all about haunters getting together and sharing a last 'base touch' before the Halloween season starts.
How did it start?
The first one was in 2002, when Darkman, (AKA James Darnone) noticed there wasn't a gathering in the Kansas City area, and decided to host one. For the first three years, he hosted it, and then it passed to the current coordinator, Evilizabeth (AKA Elizabeth Dill)
When did it start?
August of 2002.
How many people usually show up?
Our top year so far was 2004, when there were around forty five to sixty visitors.
Who attends these types of thing?
Home, yard, and semi-pro haunters who look for the friendship and the ideas they get from others.
What’s the agenda this year and what types of events are you planning?
This year's agenda is the same as every year so far. To have a good time and get some new prop ideas and help with the old ones while getting to know like-minded individuals.
What’s the cost?
Nothing.
Who's your competition and why ?
Being one of the very last 'hurrah's' of the season, our major competition is really the starting of school.
What Is your 5 year goal?
In the next five years, I would like to see Kreepfest getting around 100 - 200 people, and a part of the local (midwestern) 'things to do before Halloween' plans.
What’s the most interesting thing that has happened at your convention?
Hmm. I would have to say 2005, the year of the flash flood when we were up to our ankles in rain within 20 minutes. Which is why Kreepfest is now hosted indoors.
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